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--- Log opened Sat Jun 01 00:00:26 2013
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@sonney2kiglesiasg, no there is one but you can submit as often as you want. the most recent one is the one that counts12:50
@iglesiasgsonney2k: ah ok, I understand12:51
lisitsyniglesiasg: btw I checked out dates of my first submission of edrt (now tapkee)12:54
lisitsynI sent it on 31 Jan12:55
lisitsynand got answer on 21 Mar12:55
lisitsyniglesiasg: so we will waiiit a loot12:55
@iglesiasgyeah... I expected about two months too12:55
lisitsynit was a bit less actually12:56
lisitsynvgorbati: hey there13:04
vgorbatilisitsyn: hello13:05
lisitsyniglesiasg: what's up with your writing stuff? ready? ;)13:05
@iglesiasglisitsyn: from my part very little left, I will be done by the end of today!13:05
lisitsyniglesiasg: that's cool13:06
lisitsyniglesiasg: what's next?13:06
@iglesiasglisitsyn: get my PR merged first :D13:06
lisitsynvgorbati: how is it going?13:06
@iglesiasgthen I am going to have a closer look to the metric learning implementation and I will probably try to talk to you about it13:06
@iglesiasglisitsyn: I have seen that the matlab dimensionality reduction includes LMNN13:07
lisitsyniglesiasg: yes13:07
@iglesiasglisitsyn: and Georg wondered if it actually could make sense that the LMNN was included in shogun as part of tapkee13:07
@iglesiasghe is actually keen on that idea so that it is easier to use LMNN (fewer dependencies, etc)13:08
lisitsynI see13:08
@iglesiasgbut it was a very preliminary discussion, we have to think of it more carefully13:08
vgorbatilisitsyn: I am still playing with proposed algorithm (I am just curious whether it will produce at least something sensible). If it won't - I am interested in trying to implement NN's for shogun (if main contributors won't mind)13:08
lisitsynvgorbati: no nobody minds NNs - we are just too stupid13:09
lisitsynerr I mean we don't know NNs very well ;)13:09
vgorbatilisitsyn: :D13:09
@iglesiasgnobody knows NNs very well, they just work but we don't understand why :P13:09
lisitsyniglesiasg: no, that's not true13:09
lisitsyniglesiasg: a few guys know them13:10
lisitsynlike le cun, hinton and ng13:10
@iglesiasglisitsyn: well, but at least people don't understand them as linear models can be understood13:10
@iglesiasgI got that feeling at least13:10
lisitsyniglesiasg: yes sure13:11
vgorbatilisitsyn: I guess, Rosenblatt did also knew something about NN's)13:11
lisitsynvgorbati: well that was all pretty simple13:11
vgorbatilisitsyn: you mean linear perceptron?13:12
lisitsynthey did some steps for better understanding what happens here13:12
lisitsynvgorbati: yeah linear perceptron is just a linear classifier13:12
lisitsynIIRC he proposed something with more layers but he didn't know how to train them13:12
vgorbatilisitsyn: actually, I've read that people just did not understood what he did proposed13:12
lisitsynvgorbati: if you are talking about some posts on habrahabr13:13
lisitsynby some guy with nickname 'tac'13:13
lisitsynI believe he is totally mad and in medical sense13:14
@iglesiasgno offense though13:14
lisitsynno he is totally totally mad13:14
vgorbatilisitsyn: maybe:)13:14
lisitsynhe doesn't get a thing but keep writing some shit he has no idea about13:15
lisitsyntoo many times he was into shameful (for him) discussions13:15
@iglesiasgis habrahabr a Rusian blog about sth?13:16
lisitsyniglesiasg: yes like reddit13:16
lisitsynvgorbati: I'd recommend you to read that
lisitsynhere this ill guy argues with one of the top russian machine learners about machine learning13:18
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@iglesiasgwiking: I heard you liked windows :D14:46
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@wikingsonney2k: ping19:00
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Patrick Pletscher :develop * f4e479b / src/shogun/kernel/string/WeightedDegreePositionStringKernel.h:
shogun-notifier-shogun: fix WeightedDegreePositionStringKernel doxygen entry19:11
shogun-notifier-shogun: Patrick Pletscher :develop * 14307ec / doc/Doxyfile_cn:
shogun-notifier-shogun: Doxyfile_cn should not be in repository19:11
shogun-notifier-shogun: Patrick Pletscher :develop * 0e440ca / doc/pages/ (22 files):
@sonney2kwiking, pong!19:11
shogun-notifier-shogun: remove doc/pages*/Examples*.mainpage from repository, they dynamically created by make19:11
shogun-notifier-shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg :develop * 05cbbc7 / / (24 files):
shogun-notifier-shogun: Merge pull request #1135 from ppletscher/feature/fix-doxygen-warning19:11
shogun-notifier-shogun: remove autogenerated doxygen files19:11
@sonney2kiglesiasg, 2 months would be very quick19:12
@iglesiasgwe shall see19:15
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travis-ci[travis-ci] it's Soeren Sonnenburg's turn to pay the next round of drinks for the massacre he caused in shogun-toolbox/shogun:
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@sonney2kiglesiasg, btw if you want to do something tapkee like I don't mind but inside tapkee does IMHO not make sense19:33
@iglesiasgsonney2k: do you think it does not make sense because metric learning is not dim reduction or another reason?19:34
@sonney2kiglesiasg, yes.19:35
@sonney2kI mean tapkee == dim red19:36
@sonney2kif you make it bigger than that you at some point arrive at shogun19:36
@iglesiasgyes, I agree with you19:37
@iglesiasgthe idea arose because it seems that Georg likes the idea of having something standalone and then I found out that LMNN is included in the matlab toolbox for dim red19:38
@iglesiasgsonney2k: but something tapkee like sounds like a good idea as well19:39
@iglesiasgin any case I will think first how it should fit into shogun19:39
@iglesiasgif we would need something new, say a metric directory, or it would make sense as part of distance19:40
@iglesiasgsonney2k: I plan to consult once I have thought of it more19:40
@sonney2kiglesiasg, yeah georg never used shogun nor particularly liked it19:42
@sonney2kwell he used it but when he found it useful19:42
@sonney2kbut when there was an issue he always did his own..19:42
@sonney2kand never reported bugs or so19:43
@sonney2kthat is why the matlab structured output code exists19:43
@iglesiasgsonney2k: maybe he has changed his mind a bit then since he is mentor now19:46
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@sonney2kiglesiasg, IDK I guess he wants to do research in a particular direction20:23
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@sonney2kiglesiasg, btw you can easily develop with libshogun - so you just write your own C++ classes outside shogun but link against libshogun and can use all of shogun's features20:28
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@sonney2kthat is *very* efficient and close to 0 compile time20:29
@iglesiasgok, I will keep that in mind20:30
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@lisitsynsonney2k: yes LMNN is hardly dim reduction21:19
@lisitsynthe same holds for BSS things actually21:19
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