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@lisitsynpickle27: ! heya00:26
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sonne|worklisitsyn: so today is the day right?10:13
@lisitsynsonne|work: ja10:15
@lisitsynsonne|work: though I am not sure about the time10:18
@lisitsyngoogle calendar UI is absolutely useless10:18
@lisitsynI don't even understand the timezone it shows10:18
sonne|worklisitsyn: ^ says 9 hours 39 minutes remaining10:20
sonne|workAccepted Orgs Announced On:10:21
sonne|workMarch 02 at 19:00 UTC10:21
sonne|worklisitsyn: where is our ideas page now?10:21
@lisitsynsonne|work: github wiki10:21
@lisitsynsonne|work: it looks like we had wrong url for ideas in the application10:23
sonne|worklisitsyn: then we are out :(10:23
@lisitsynsonne|work: description has proper url10:24
sonne|worklisitsyn: I guess we will know in ~9 hrs :)10:25
@lisitsynsonne|work: would it make sense to notify carol we had a wrong url?10:26
sonne|worklisitsyn: well worth a try - it might be too late though...10:27
@lisitsynsonne|work: can you write a mail?10:27
sonne|worklisitsyn: so that is the correct url right
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@lisitsynHeikoS: !11:17
@lisitsynwe are quite careless apparently :)11:17
@HeikoSlisitsyn: ?11:18
@lisitsynHeikoS: we had wrong link for ideas11:19
@lisitsynin the application11:19
@lisitsynHeikoS: the one in description was correct11:19
@HeikoSI know it was wrong on the first trial, but I though I corrected it11:19
@lisitsynHeikoS: I fixed it and fernando wrote a mail to carol11:19
@HeikoSphew :)11:19
@lisitsynHeikoS: I am not sure if it can help though11:19
@lisitsynmay be too late11:20
@HeikoSWell its copy paste, they should not be too strict11:20
@lisitsynHeikoS: ohh they can be pretty strict11:20
@lisitsynthere are like hundred and more of orgs11:20
@HeikoSwe have it on our website11:20
@HeikoSshould not be a problem11:20
@lisitsynlets hope so11:20
@HeikoSbut good that you realised11:20
@lisitsynI hope if it had a harm we can fix it by notifying carol before11:21
@HeikoSit will be alright11:21
@HeikoSthey look at the whole application, not just one link11:21
@lisitsynyou're quite optimistic guy aren't you? :)11:22
@HeikoSbut it would be ridiculous to reject because of this link being wrong11:23
@HeikoSI trust them to do proper screening of the ords11:23
@HeikoSincluding having a look at the website11:23
@HeikoSand this is why it was important to put it on the front page11:23
@HeikoSbut we have, so its easy to find the ideas page11:23
@HeikoSlisitsyn: great idea with the namespaces11:23
@HeikoSok time for science, I will be back later11:24
@HeikoSlisitsyn: when will be notified?11:24
@lisitsynHeikoS: 19 utc11:24
@HeikoSsee you then :)11:24
@HeikoSwe can have a stammtisch afterwards11:24
@HeikoSIll send an email to the list11:24
sonne|worklisitsyn: HeikoS is always optimistic :)11:37
sonne|workthe total contrary to me :)11:37
sonne|worklisitsyn: right marvin?11:37
@HeikoSsonne|work: haha :)11:39
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@lisitsynsonne|work: absolutely11:51
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sonne|worklisitsyn: lets get lessons from HeikoS to see the world in shiny psychedelic colors :P11:52
@lisitsynsonne|work: I have no idea how to have fun in this world to be honest11:52
sonne|worklisitsyn: let cand. Phd. Heiko S. bring us the cure(tm)11:53
sonne|worklisitsyn: and if that doesn't help - you will have to resort to vodka and I can probably get the same effect by drinking water from the river Spree :P11:55
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@HeikoSits all the coffee guys12:05
@HeikoSmore coffee12:06
@HeikoSsonne|work: and you know,    nuts! did you stop eating them? you should never stop for any reason12:06
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sonne|workHeikoS: ahh totally forgot to get my daily nut intake13:36
@HeikoSno wonder13:37
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@iglesiasg15 minutes to go for the announcement, right? :-)19:45
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@iglesiasgHeikoS is in da house19:49
@HeikoSyoyo :)19:49
@HeikoShow are things?19:50
@HeikoSalready announced?19:50
* adit-39 begins the final countdown for the last 10 minutes19:50
@HeikoSiglesiasg: man, quite scared about this link business ;)19:50
@iglesiasgHeikoS: yeah, I am worried about it too. Let's hope for the best19:51
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@lisitsyntold you19:57
naywhayarewe've been rejected this year19:57
naywhayare(we being mlpack, not shogun)19:58
naywhayaredid you guys get in?19:58
@lisitsynnaywhayare: wow you too?19:58
naywhayareyou got rejected also?19:58
naywhayarethey must think machine learning isn't important19:58
naywhayareit's not useful to anyone, obviously19:58
@lisitsynno more machine learning19:58
@HeikoSlisitsyn: where is the email?19:58
@lisitsynwell we fscked up our ideas page19:59
naywhayarethat seems odd though, that they would reject you after, what, 8 years of participation?19:59
@lisitsynHeikoS: I received19:59
@lisitsynnaywhayare: would be 5th year I think19:59
naywhayarewell, that's how it goes I guess19:59
@HeikoSlisitsyn: well, lets make sure to check their irc meeting20:00
naywhayaredid you know of any other ML libraries that applied?20:00
@lisitsynok lets do shogun by ourselves haha20:00
naywhayareI didn't know of any others... I would be surprised to hear of no machine learning libraries in GSoC 201520:01
@HeikoSlisitsyn, you know that iglesiasg and me though about skipping this year, since we have too many things to do and these gsoc projects on new algos kind of distract us gfrom doing that20:01
@HeikoSnaywhayare: pitty for you too20:01
@lisitsynHeikoS: yeah that's ok20:02
@lisitsyncombo breaker though20:02
naywhayareman, and these guys get in:20:02
@HeikoSnaywhayare: its the application that counts, not the topic of the project20:02
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@HeikoSnaywhayare: did you do anything different to last years?20:03
naywhayareno, we submitted a quite similar application20:03
naywhayarethe answers to the questions were similar20:03
@HeikoSnaywhayare: also I guess, its fair to share the google love20:03
@HeikoSnaywhayare: same here20:03
naywhayareif anything the application was better since we have more mentors now20:03
@lisitsynno scikit learn20:03
@iglesiasgI am not sure whether it was the error in the url, or simply they are changing orgs20:03
@lisitsyniglesiasg: no mlpack no shogun and no scikit learn20:04
naywhayareah well, I guess we all have a bit more free time this summer :)20:04
@iglesiasgindeed haha20:05
@HeikoSiglesiasg: yeah the error in the url cant be the reason20:05
@HeikoSiglesiasg: maybe a sum of things and this was one20:05
@HeikoSbut lets see20:05
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@HeikoSwhen is the meeting?20:05
naywhayareI would imagine that they are just giving new organizations a chance20:05
naywhayareI guess we'll find out on Friday20:05
@lisitsynyeah that's pretty fair20:05
@lisitsynwe've been on gsoc steroids pretty long20:05
naywhayareyeah, GSoC is really wonderful for bringing people into the project20:06
@HeikoSrelease into the wild ;)20:06
@lisitsynok lets break shogun and rebuild from scratch20:06
@lisitsynnow we can do any changes20:06
@iglesiasgnaywhayare: I agree with you, I think it is new orgs coming in mostly20:06
@HeikoSlisitsyn: haha :)20:06
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@lisitsynHeikoS: we have like a ton of issues to resolve20:07
@HeikoSwell half of our projects are things we want to do20:07
@HeikoSI agree20:07
@HeikoSlisitsyn: maybe we can choose one project and do joint forces on it20:07
@HeikoSwith the usual weekly progress, etc20:07
@HeikoSto have some routine?20:07
@lisitsynnot sure about that20:07
@HeikoSiglesiasg: what do you think?20:07
@lisitsynlets just fix that20:07
@iglesiasgI think it is time we get back to black :-)20:07
@HeikoSah man I forgot how to code myself over these years ;)20:08
naywhayareah, someone's just told me they accepted only 137 organizations this year as opposed to 190 last year20:08
smallgraph"I agree with you, I think it is new orgs coming in mostly" why wouldn't you than give "old" orgs than at least 1-2 slots?20:08
naywhayareso maybe their funding has been cut a bit...20:08
@lisitsynsmallgraph: god^W google knows20:08
@iglesiasgsmallgraph: yeah, that's also a good point20:09
smallgraphso we can google it?20:09
@iglesiasganyway, there are also good old orgs like OpenCV and Boost20:10
@lisitsynsmallgraph: just kidding ;)20:10
@lisitsyniglesiasg: yeah20:10
@iglesiasgHeikoS: lisitsyn : we can always mail them and ask them for feedback20:12
@HeikoSyeah lets go to the irc meeting20:12
@lisitsyniglesiasg: doesn't matter that much for me ;)20:12
@HeikoSgotta run off, will be back a bit later20:12
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@lisitsyniglesiasg: I can tell you multiple reasons why we should have been rejected ;)20:13
@lisitsynlike low activity mid-gsoc and so on20:13
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@iglesiasglisitsyn: what do you mean with mid-gsoc?20:15
@iglesiasgI haven't noticed much difference compared to last year for instance20:15
@lisitsyniglesiasg: between gsocs I mean sorry20:15
@iglesiasgthat's true20:16
smallgraphI bet Google has a bot for monitoring this^^20:16
@iglesiasgI have to go now too20:16
@iglesiasgcatch you later, guys20:16
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sonne|osxlisitsyn: my condolences!20:28
@lisitsynsonne|osx: we betrayed you our leader!20:29
sonne|osxlisitsyn: looks like it doesn't pay of to be a lazy shogun20:30
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@lisitsynsonne|osx: yeah20:30
sonne|osxlisitsyn: I forgot which epoch the worst shogun's came from but I am probably one of them!20:30
sonne|osxlisitsyn: I tell you - it was the wrong url :(20:30
@lisitsynsonne|osx: yeah probably it was one of the reasons20:31
sonne|osxwell we can ask them and find out!20:31
@lisitsynsonne|osx: yeah sure20:31
@lisitsynthere will be a meeting20:31
sonne|osxbut seriously - they receive way too many applications so if one screws up w/ one point one is out20:32
@lisitsynsonne|osx: although it doesn't matter that much20:32
sonne|osxlisitsyn: well it does - that is how we got in - by fixing the issues20:32
@lisitsynsonne|osx: lets just work on shogun ;)20:32
sonne|osxlisitsyn: when we first applied we had the issue that we didn't include difficulties20:33
freedonDId shogun get accepted as a mentoring organistaion this year ?20:33
sonne|osxand didn't mention mentors20:33
sonne|osxfreedon: nope not this year20:33
sonne|osxfreedon: looks like we had a wrong link to the ideas page :(20:34
sonne|osxlisitsyn: but true! maybe one year w/o summer pressure really doing the things we want ourselves helps to calm down and refocus20:34
sonne|osxlisitsyn: after all there is lot of refactoring planned and that doesn't distribute too well20:35
freedonSo, anyone here who wishes to still contribute during the summers ?20:39
freedonBecause, I am completely free during the summers and got nothing to do20:40
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sonne|osxfreedon: well we have plenty of ideas so you are of course welcome20:41
freedonThis time there is a serious cut in the number of mentoring organisations, from 190 in 2014 to 137 this year :/20:50
sanujNever mind guys. We can apply next year, till then let's make shogun more clean and sophisticated :)20:56
sanujstarting with the installation which needs some attention20:56
sanujalthough gsoc would have been cool :(20:58
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@wikingoh wooooooooooah21:02
@wikingso sad news21:03
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YorkerlinI plan to do the project listed in the idea page w/o GSoC 2015. Is it possible ?21:07
@wikingof course21:08
@lisitsynYorkerlin: but without gsoc right? ;)21:08
@wikingbut not part of gsoc 201521:08
@wikingno money :D21:09
YorkerlinIndeed, I am working on the project after gsoc 201421:10
@wikingso what21:10
@wikingthis years aim = lets' make shogun the #1 choice of ML? :D21:10
@wikingwith release 5.0.0? :d21:10
@wikinglisitsyn: got a second?21:10
@lisitsynwiking: yeah sure21:11
@wikinghave u had a chance to look at this?21:11
@lisitsynwiking: akka for C++? :)21:11
YorkerlinI just am asking whether u guys still provide mentoring21:11
@wikingYorkerlin: yep21:11
@wikingthat was never about the money :)21:11
@lisitsynYorkerlin: I think we can manage that21:11
@wikingi mean mentoring21:11
@lisitsynYorkerlin: what project?21:12
YorkerlinYes I know :)21:12
YorkerlinIndeed I am working with Heiko for the large scale GP project21:12
@lisitsynYorkerlin: I am sure heiko would be happy :)21:13
YorkerlinYes. Still have a lot of clean-up for the GP module21:13
@wikinglisitsyn: so i'm thinking maybe this would be the bes tthing to use for the distributed stuff21:14
@lisitsynwiking: but that's pretty immature..21:14
@wikingthe c++ lib?21:15
@wikingi've just played with it21:15
@wikingand it's pretty advanced21:15
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@lisitsynwiking: yeah but very new21:15
@lisitsynthat's what I fear ;)21:15
@wikingwell u have to start somewhere :)21:16
@wikingi mean we dont have reflection in c++21:16
@wikingso having an rdd will be quite complicated :D21:16
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@wikingbut i have a feeling that it'd be the best option to use an actor fw + mesos for shoguns distributed backend21:17
@lisitsynwiking: okay what about adding some intermediate layer to make it library agnostic?21:17
@lisitsynI mean actors but with libraries isolated to some very base classes21:18
@wikingyeah of course21:18
@lisitsynI like actor model but I am afraid of concrete libraries21:19
@wikingi dont think it should be solved only on shogun level21:19
@lisitsynwiking: do you have any vision how this works?21:19
@wikingno i mean i was thinking more and more21:20
@wikingand trying to sketch up stuff locally21:20
@wikingmy main problem with the current way21:20
@wikingis the duality21:20
@lisitsynwiking: say we want to train svm21:20
@wikingof local distribution21:20
@wikingand real distribution21:21
@wikingi.e process vs threads21:21
@wikingi.e. openmp vs anything else over tcp/ip stack21:21
@wikingmmm well svm is a hard task21:21
@wikingi mean not a good choice for doing distributed work21:21
@wikingas it's iterative21:22
@lisitsynyeah but that's the main thing to distribute21:22
@lisitsynneural nets and svm21:22
@wikingso not too mcuh you can distribute there21:22
@wikingalthough i read a paper once somebody doing M/R svm21:22
@lisitsynwell SGD21:22
@lisitsynsome day it will converge21:22
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@lisitsynwiking: you have some time to move some classes?21:23
@wikingsmallgraph: ping21:23
@lisitsynI am thinking about nested namespaces21:23
@lisitsyngood time TO BREAK THINGS21:23
@wikingsmallgraph: u /msg-ed me21:23
@wikingabout windows21:23
@wikingwhat was that about21:23
@lisitsynwiking: you're on mac now?21:24
@wikinglisitsyn: yep21:24
@lisitsynlets hack brew21:24
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@wikinghahah fuck brew21:24
@wikingi relaly hate it21:24
@wikingyeah i did that once21:24
@wikingmacports people are crazy21:24
@wikingi send in patches for the Portfile21:24
@wikingnever apply it21:24
smallgraphwhich MS VS are you using?21:25
@wikingsmallgraph: none.... last time i wanted to compile shogun with visual studio it was win721:25
@wiking+ visual studio 201421:25
@wiking+ visual studio 201321:25
@wikingbascially i've added some minor things21:26
@wikingbut then the whole thing breaks21:26
@wikingwhen the compiler sees CMath.h21:26
@wikinglisitsyn: well we can start doing the nested part21:26
@wikingwanna devide up the directories among the 2 of us21:27
@lisitsynwiking: sure21:27
@wikingand push in now fast the code21:27
@lisitsynwiking: odds are for you21:27
@lisitsyneven are for me21:27
@wikingstart with 0?21:27
@lisitsynwiking: okay21:27
@wikingok so 0 is even :P21:28
@wikingas we know....21:28
@lisitsynwiking: what about pushing per directory?21:28
@wikingyeah sounds good21:28
@lisitsynwiking: lets setup a branch21:28
@wikingfeature breanch it21:28
@lisitsynrefactor branch!21:28
@wikingbtw do we care about correct identing?21:28
@wikingor same like shogun namespace?21:29
@lisitsynlets make it flat21:29
@wikingnamespace shogun21:29
@wikingnamespace feature21:29
@lisitsynwiking: I think we gonna break some swig stuff first21:30
@wikingof course21:30
@wikingbut that's ok21:30
@lisitsynwiking: let me dive into crazy compile-fix loop21:31
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@wikingso push the branch21:31
@lisitsynwiking: hmm it is empty21:32
@lisitsynwon't appear I guess21:32
@wikingfucking hdfs21:33
@wikingit's the worst thing ever written21:33
@lisitsynwiking: yeah kind of hard thing to maintain21:34
@wikingargh it's super slow21:34
@wikingsometimes i wanna kill jvm21:34
@lisitsynwiking: oh refactoring base is a bad luck21:34
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@lisitsynI think I am going to change all the shogun code now21:35
@lisitsynas sgobject is here21:35
@wikinghehhe we'll be like perl21:35
@wiking6.0 will be the utopia version21:35
@wikingfor the last 20 years :D21:35
@wikingsgobject is a fucking crazy stuff21:35
@wikingand yeah we should most def take the code to non c++11 ready21:36
@lisitsynwiking: what do you mean non c++11 ready?21:36
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@wikingimagine this: i ran the spark job in 12 minutes... and the IO to write the data to hdfs takes about 50 minutes21:37
sonne|osxlisitsyn: btw did you check - is there any machine learning organization that got accepted21:37
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@lisitsynsonne|osx: some small21:37
@lisitsynand opencv21:37
@wikinglisitsyn: ah yeah so i meant: only c++11 only21:37
@lisitsynwiking: ah ok21:37
sonne|osxlisitsyn: well opencv sure - but it is not really ML21:37
@lisitsynsonne|osx: barely21:38
@wikinglisitsyn: it's a pain in the ass to maintain code that supports both... c++11 and older21:38
@wikingso why not just have this21:38
@wikingfrom version 5.0.0 only c++1121:38
@wikingand that's all21:38
@wikingmost of compilers support it anyways21:39
@lisitsynwiking: yes sure21:39
sonne|osxlisitsyn: I don't see any real machine learning thing in there...21:39
@wikingor we just rewrite shogun in rust :D21:39
@lisitsynwiking: oh no I like C++21:39
@lisitsynit is much better than rust ;)21:39
@wikingyeah it was just the 'yet another buzzword session'21:39
@wikingscala man...21:39
@wikingi would kill who designed scala21:39
@lisitsynC++ is better than scala ;)21:39
@lisitsynthough they have something in common21:40
@wikingcome one they broke the whole java obj concept21:40
@wikinglisitsyn: kotlin :D21:40
sonne|osxlisitsyn, wiking really no ML toolbox this year not a single one...21:40
@lisitsynsonne|osx: well21:40
@wikingsonne|osx: maybe tomoorrow google will release its ML library21:40
@lisitsynsonne|osx: haha21:41
@wikingthat will make everything obsolete21:41
@wikingi mean they had a reason21:41
sonne|osxwiking: they stopped using ML?21:41
@wikingfor sure not a financial one... as google is swimming in money more than ever21:41
sonne|osxhardly :)21:41
@wikingso i guess we'll never know21:42
@lisitsynall major ml things are going well w/o gsoc already21:43
@lisitsynmay be that's the reason21:43
@wikingwhich ones?21:43
@lisitsynvowpal wabbit21:43
@wikingthat library is a joke :D21:44
@lisitsynvery widely used21:44
@wikingi mean i like it and i use it21:44
@wikingbut come on21:44
@wikingu cant run that on serious data21:44
@wikingit's python for god sakes :)21:44
sonne|osxtoo small scale for me...21:45
@wikingbut yeah every wannabe machine learning person uses that now21:45
@wikingas it's easy to use21:45
@wikingi saw somebody tackling a problem21:45
@lisitsynah and there is no machine learning anymore21:45
@wiking'ml expert'21:45
@lisitsynjust deep learning21:45
sonne|osxdepp learning as the german would say ;)21:45
@wikingtook sklearn and basically ran all the possible algos on the problem21:46
@wikingand did a grid search over it21:46
@wiking= problem solved :D21:46
@wikingthis is new age ML ;)21:46
@lisitsynwiking: no it was previous epoch21:47
@lisitsynnow you do something else21:47
@wikingaws + grid search for all21:47
@lisitsyntake the biggest network you can store in memory21:47
@lisitsynrandomize it randomize it learn it21:47
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@lisitsynah and use relu21:48
@lisitsynthat's what have changed since 198221:48
joergkurtgood evening gentlemen21:48
@lisitsynjoergkurt: hey21:48
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joergkurthoi, has anyone compiled shogun with an alternate SWIG directory?21:49
@wikingwhat is an alternative swig directory?21:49
joergkurtaka, I dont have a preinstalled package, but have to use a local SWIG compilation21:49
@wikingthat should be fine if u have it path21:49
@wikingif not then you'll have to tell cmake where it can find and how swig...21:50
joergkurtwhich env variables or cmake flags do I ahve to set for shogun?21:50
joergkurtI managed a local static SWIG install, and eigen and json could be bundled, if I figure the swig I am there21:52
@wikingSWIG_EXECUTABLE = path to the swig exec21:52
joergkurton it, thanks21:53
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joergkurterror FindSWIG.cmake:40 /local/sw/swig-3.0.5 -swiglib failed with output21:58
joergkurtSWIG was installed in the very smae /local/sw/swig-3.0.5 director with a static PCRE via Tools/, this shuold be consistent21:59
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@wikingjoergkurt: i guess /local/sw/swig-3.0.5 is just a directory22:03
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@wikingnot actually the swig binary or?22:03
@wikingis there /local/sw/swig-3.0.5/bin/swig ?22:04
joergkurtah, yup, thats it, better, I thought its autocompleted22:04
joergkurt(man, I hate non-admin environments) thanks!22:05
@lisitsynwiking: like a few hundreds errors left22:05
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joergkurt-DBUNDLE_EIGEN=ON throws a HASH mismatch22:14
joergkurtI have a local install, so if you provide me the LIB and INCLUDE env variables I could use them as well22:14
joergkurtBTW, which JSON library are you referring too, this exists as bundle, but I could also just fetch it myself22:14
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joergkurtok, so far so good, eigen is export EIGEN_INCLUDE_DIR=$LOCALEIGEN/include22:26
joergkurtJSON bundle is working22:26
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