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shogun-buildbotbuild #156 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/156  blamelist: Soeren Sonnenburg <sonne@debian.org>00:07
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shogun-buildbotbuild #31 of nightly_default is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/nightly_default/builds/3103:50
gsomixshogun-buildbot, wut?06:31
gsomixThis example fully works on my python and numpy.06:33
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gsomixsonney2k, around?09:21
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riecksonney2k: alive?10:35
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thegruelHi! Anyone here using the python-modular interface?11:07
* thegruel feels ignored.11:09
thegruelAnyway, it'd be great if somebody fixed python-modular. Thanks guys!11:12
gsomixthegruel, hey11:30
gsomixwhat's wrong with python_modular?11:30
thegruelHi gsomix.11:38
thegruelIt can't create Features.Labels objects anymore, which break nearly all tests (see  http://bit.ly/eQDk8Q  )11:38
thegruelbuild #156 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/156  blamelist: Soeren Sonnenburg <sonne@debian.org>11:39
thegruelNo, wait, that log had yet another problem.11:41
thegruelMine was simply "TypeError: Cannot create new instances of type 'Labels',11:41
gsomixthegruel, check, please, that you use latest git version of shogun.11:45
gsomixhm, strange error11:45
gsomixthegruel, btw, Labels now is abstract class. which code/example fails?11:51
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@sonney2kthegruel, you have to use BinaryLabels, MulticlassLabels, RegressionLabels etc12:04
@sonney2kgsomix, hey there12:04
@sonney2kany idea what is going on on the bb?12:04
@sonney2kgsomix, btw which swig version do you have?12:04
@sonney2krieck, yes alive just now12:06
@sonney2kbut can change any minute ...12:06
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gsomixsonney2k, 2.0.412:08
@sonney2kgsomix, bb and here 2.0.712:08
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gsomixsonney2k, hm, 2.0.7 fails at my gcc12:10
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gsomixsonney2k, ok, but what about fail in examples?12:11
@sonney2kgsomix, what happens w/ 2.0.7?12:11
gsomixsonney2k, segfault in compilation12:12
@sonney2kgsomix, compiling swig segfaults?12:12
gsomixsonney2k, compiling shogun modulars12:13
@sonney2kgsomix, works just fine here - which gcc version?12:14
gsomixsonney2k, 4.6.312:14
@sonney2khmmhh 4.7.1 here12:15
gsomixoh, I'm slowpoke :)12:15
gsomixneed to update all software12:15
@sonney2kgsomix, or alternatively compile it with clang++12:15
@sonney2kgsomix, package clang is needed for that...12:16
gsomixanyway fail in buffer protocol example is not related to swig.12:16
gsomixsonney2k, ok, I'll try.12:16
@sonney2kgsomix, which python version do you have?12:16
@sonney2kme too12:17
@sonney2kgsomix, buildbot has
@sonney2kso it might be due to that12:17
@sonney2kit compiles/runs just fine here12:18
gsomixwhat about numpy?12:18
gsomixsonney2k, btw this examples works on your machine?12:18
@sonney2kI have 1.6.412:18
@sonney2kand bb has 1.4.112:18
@sonney2kgsomix, you think it is too old?12:19
@sonney2kmaybe numpy didn't support buffer proto stuff yet12:19
gsomixbecause just fails on PyObject_CheckBuffer(o2);12:20
@sonney2kgsomix, that is not easily installed - could you add some check for numpy 1.5 i.e. numpy.__version__ >= '1.5'12:24
gsomixsonney2k, what do to if numpy version <= 1.5?12:25
gsomixawww, ok12:25
gsomixsorry, got it12:25
@sonney2kwhen <1.5 print some warning that this example requires numpy 1.5 or later12:26
@sonney2kgsomix, in the example only I meant12:26
gsomixI see12:26
gsomixsonney2k, I also discuss with blackburn about slicing.12:27
gsomixI think, that DenseFeatures[a:b] should return numpy.array12:27
gsomixbecause it's easy way12:28
@sonney2kgsomix, can one then do DenseFeatures[a:b] = numpy.arange(a,b) ?12:28
gsomixI think - yes12:29
@sonney2kthen yes :)12:31
@sonney2kwould just be good to be able to modify elements via slicing too12:31
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@sonney2khey bern4rd12:40
* thegruel is back. Thanks for the clarifications. 12:40
@sonney2kbern4rd, have you seen the repo is now  at shogun-toolbox?12:40
bern4rdFernando told me about the new repository12:40
@sonney2kbern4rd, could you access it?12:41
bern4rdyes, I have clone it right now12:41
@sonney2kI gave you r/w access but you never know12:41
bern4rdI'm going to check, I am a beginner with git12:42
@sonney2kbern4rd, well just clone and push some minor change12:47
@sonney2kbern4rd, btw what is the admin password?12:47
bern4rdyes I have r/w access12:47
@sonney2kif I want to modify the style etc?12:47
bern4rdlogin:root, pass:toor12:47
@sonney2kI will then try to change a bit style wise - any idea what to do against conflicts when we both modify the sqlite db?12:50
bern4rdno :(12:52
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@sonney2kbern4rd, well I will update in the evening and then play a bit with it12:54
@sonney2kso if I keep change windows small then it can work just fine12:55
@sonney2kbern4rd, and btw thanks for again for your work!12:55
* sonney2k afg12:55
bern4rdok, I am going to explain better all the things in the readme.12:55
* sonney2k afk12:55
bern4rdyou'r welcome =)12:55
bern4rdThe content in the web-site is not complete, the application that recognizes numbers and the big table with the feature matrix are not in the database12:59
riecksonne alive?13:45
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heikoblackburn, sonney2k, I fixed the x-val kernel-multi-class error, it was a problem in store_model_features of CKernelMulticlassMachine18:18
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r23dd339 / src/shogun/multiclass/MulticlassSVM.h : added small comment - http://git.io/iFjdUg18:19
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r8d97d0c / src/shogun/machine/KernelMulticlassMachine.cpp : fixed store_model_features, which didnt work before, causing x-val on multi class kernel machines to fail badly - http://git.io/0oNEDQ18:19
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r0d992a7 / src/shogun/multiclass/MulticlassLibSVM.cpp : code clean up and removing unnecesary sv commands - http://git.io/KmFogA18:19
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * rdb4985d / (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge pull request #653 from karlnapf/master - http://git.io/DUVqSQ18:19
heikosonney2k, blackburn, Id like to push a thing: We need more tests (for new code) and code should be documented better18:22
heikoIt happens so often (as just now) that somebody spends hours in finding a bug that could *easily* be detected by a test18:22
heikoso I think it should be compulsory for everybody to write a (small) test for every new (complex) method that is added18:22
heikoThis would save time at the end of the day, also, we would be able to spot problems far more accurate18:23
heikothe current multiclass - cross-validation problem did not even fail a test. It just gave wrong results ( SV and non-SV permuted)18:23
heikoIn my eyes, we shouldnt accept pull-requests without tests for new stuff anymore18:24
heikoit was just by chance that somebody found this problem with the multiclass CV. This damages SHOGUN's reputation18:24
heikoand one more thing: Debugging often is very very hard since the code is badly or not even at all commented18:25
heikoWe should insist on comments in the code for every non-trivial thing that is going on18:25
heikothis would save much time while debugging18:25
heikoI think if we continue changing things at the current pace we will run into problems if we dont do these two things (tests & better in-code-documentation)18:26
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r76c6df3 / src/shogun/machine/KernelMulticlassMachine.cpp : fixed error message - http://git.io/jvF96w18:31
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r32e09ac / src/shogun/machine/KernelMulticlassMachine.cpp : Merge pull request #654 from karlnapf/master - http://git.io/BlIt7w18:31
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blackburnheiko: we need some approach for that18:52
heikoblackburn, yes, I think so18:52
heikootherwise we cannot controll things anymore at some point, and it gets harder and harder for new poeple to get into SHOGUN18:52
blackburnother way is to freeze these kind of features18:54
heikoI would just make it madatory to write tests18:54
heikoif you fiddle around with indices, just write a test to make sure things are working that automatically checks things18:54
blackburnwhat is test?18:55
blackburnhow it works?18:55
heikolike a unit test or so18:55
heikoor a libshogun example18:55
heikoit should assert correct expected results18:55
heikootherwise fail and teil you which method doesnt work18:55
blackburnno libshogun example is wrong way I am afraid18:56
blackburnproblem is that is good for example could be bad for test18:56
blackburnand vice versa18:56
blackburnbut we don't separate it still18:56
shogun-buildbotbuild #157 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/157  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>18:57
heikoyou are right18:57
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heikowe should separate things18:57
heikoI write all tests to libshogun examples18:57
heikobut thats not good for illustration18:57
heikoI mean there are tools that give you code coverage etc18:58
heikoIt slows down development18:58
heikobut greatly increases stability18:58
heikosince people have to think about code more18:58
heikoIll read a bit about automated test systems for c++18:59
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r2251909 / .gitignore : added doc dir - http://git.io/PCfGVg19:01
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * rfeee52c / (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge pull request #655 from karlnapf/master - http://git.io/h-3liw19:01
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r581c5f8 / src/shogun/statistics/LinearTimeMMD.h : whitespace - http://git.io/uu1NKg19:01
CIA-18shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * rd19d98a / (2 files): documentation updates for doxygen - http://git.io/Vpl1jg19:01
heikogoogletest seems nice, Ill try it out these days19:05
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shogun-buildbotbuild #158 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/158  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>19:26
heikothats not be shogun-buildbot !19:27
blackburnheiko: calm down it is gsomix the cause19:29
heikonot really angry ;)19:29
heikoblackburn, what do you think of this:19:29
blackburnis it GNU?19:29
blackburnGPL I mean19:29
blackburnaham bsd19:30
blackburni bet sonney2k would not like it19:31
blackburnand say something 'ah yet another one dependency I'LL KILL YOU' :D19:31
heikolol :)19:32
heikoI also would love to use BOOST :)19:32
blackburnfor what?19:32
heikohas for example all statistical distribution functions and cdfs19:32
heikoits a pain to import these from e.g. ALGLIB19:32
blackburnthese ones you integrated?19:32
heikoand in boost these are already in, tested documented etc19:33
blackburnboost is huge dependency though19:33
heikoyes I know19:33
heikoshogun isnt small either :D19:33
heikoanyway, the tests are more important I think19:33
blackburnbad thing about boost and templates in general19:34
blackburnis really awful compilation speed and errors parseability19:34
wikingheiko: blackburn bsd license should not be a problem at all19:39
wikingheiko: second for the unit testing19:39
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gsomixgood evening19:44
wikingheiko: heiko http://code.google.com/p/googlemock/wiki/V1_6_ForDummies19:44
blackburndo any of you think create a kaggle shogun team would be a cool idea?19:45
wikingblackburn: any competition in mind?19:46
blackburnwell health heritage19:46
blackburnjoke :D19:46
blackburnbut still it is hard to go alone here19:46
wikingblackburn: 8 months ago i've started to do some stuff with hh19:48
wikingbut i've failed to get any results19:48
shogun-buildbotbuild #159 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/159  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>19:51
gsomixshogun-buildbot, okay, okay. :( I'll fix it, I promise.19:52
@sonney2kwiking, where is your weekly report?20:00
@sonney2kheiko, so if you have time to discuss lets do it.20:00
@sonney2krieck, ping ping ping20:00
@sonney2kgsomix, did you fix the example?20:05
@sonney2kgsomix, I didn't see your PR...20:06
@sonney2kgsomix, ahh and does clang++ work for you?20:06
gsomixsonney2k, little later, working on slicing now.20:07
@sonney2kgsomix, please fix the example first... fixing broken builds unfortunately always have priority20:10
heikoblackburn, I participated in kaggle hh during a course in uni here, we were among the 500 first places :)20:10
heikosonney2k, I have to leave soon sorry, but lets discuss tomorrow20:10
blackburnheiko: do you think together we can do that better?20:10
heikoI really would like to push that20:10
heikoblackburn, I used shogun actually :)20:10
blackburnyeah that is my point to20:11
blackburnto enhance shogun through usage20:11
heikoblackburn, my group was kind of good, but liblinear didnt support regression back then, would have helped a lot20:11
heikoI currently dont have time for that, but perhaps at the end of the year20:11
gsomixsonney2k, ok, sorry20:11
heikogotta go now, see you later today or tomorrow!20:11
blackburnyeah after gsoc would be cool20:11
@sonney2kblackburn, I don't have time for that unfortunately... but I talked to some guys at NIPS last year and they also said I (with them) should do this ;-)20:13
blackburnsonney2k: kaggle?20:13
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audyI want to kaggle20:17
audysit in my mom's basement, mine data, get rich20:17
gsomixsonney2k, pr20:19
blackburnaudy: IIRC you wanted to test ruby stuff?20:19
blackburndid you manage to try?20:19
audyblackburn not yet20:19
audyblackburn PI threw a big wrench in my research for no reason >:| so now I'm dealing with that20:20
@sonney2kblackburn, kaggle yes20:21
blackburnsonney2k: we should ALL HAIL TO SHOGUN through kaggle then20:22
blackburnaudy: PI?20:22
@sonney2kaudy, the destiny of all phds :)20:22
audyblackburn my boss. I'm a PhD student20:22
blackburnah I see20:22
@sonney2kblackburn, well if we could fund ourselves via winning all kaggle's and developing shogun at the same time - why not :D20:22
audythe shogun kaggle team?20:23
audythere's a $3 mil prize on there currently20:23
blackburnmy ideas can be good sometimes - I hope that is the case20:23
shogun-buildbotbuild #160 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/160  blamelist: Heiko Strathmann <heiko.strathmann@gmail.com>20:23
blackburnit is getting boring to develop for develop20:24
@sonney2kaudy, probably no one is working on that yet right?20:26
blackburnsonney2k: only 1.5K teams yeah20:27
@sonney2kblackburn, no problem to win then20:30
blackburnsonney2k: sure20:30
@sonney2kI was worried a few million teams are on it20:30
@sonney2kbut a few K is no match for shogun :D20:30
CIA-18shogun: Evgeniy Andreev master * rfc0116a / examples/undocumented/python_modular/features_dense_buffer_protocol_modular.py : fixed buffer protocol example that needs numpy.version >= 1.5 - http://git.io/iMhYqA20:34
CIA-18shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg master * rb39de77 / examples/undocumented/python_modular/features_dense_buffer_protocol_modular.py : Merge pull request #656 from gsomix/buffer_protocol - http://git.io/yUkiig20:34
blackburnsomething killed my battery capacity - only 59% left :(20:35
@sonney2kblackburn, running a shogun buildbot?20:37
@sonney2kgsomix, thanks for the quick fix20:53
blackburnsonney2k: I am afraid bad battery but it is not the case of warranty return20:59
blackburn26.6 Wh is available when design capacity is 4520:59
shogun-buildbotbuild #161 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/161  blamelist: Evgeniy Andreev <gsomix@gmail.com>21:02
gsomixsonney2k, ^21:05
gsomixhm, strange21:06
gsomixwhat am I doing wrong? :(21:06
gsomixah, my fault21:08
gsomixnumpy.__version__ is string21:08
blackburnbad boy21:10
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r48a7858 / (2 files): Made inner iterations of malsar ported code safe - http://git.io/5yttgQ21:11
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r989a7f7 / examples/undocumented/libshogun/classifier_larank.cpp : Added larank libshogun example with multiple training call - http://git.io/KRplWA21:12
CIA-18shogun: Evgeniy Andreev master * r15b5263 / examples/undocumented/python_modular/features_dense_buffer_protocol_modular.py : minor fix - http://git.io/Jwh-TQ21:15
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r2e7e626 / examples/undocumented/python_modular/features_dense_buffer_protocol_modular.py : Merge pull request #657 from gsomix/buffer_protocol - http://git.io/wUG3TQ21:15
@sonney2kgsomix, c'mon I did paste that code with the string compare...21:15
blackburntoo late MERGEORAMA begins21:15
gsomixsonney2k, okay, but this is not logic and obviously :(21:17
blackburnsonney2k: did I told you before your naming is strange sometimes? ;)21:18
blackburnanyway would you like to merge koen-shogun request?21:19
blackburnI would like to continue and add eigen3 operations here21:19
CIA-18shogun: Koen van de Sande master * rd7076c3 / (src/shogun/lib/SGVector.cpp src/shogun/lib/SGVector.h): Use cblas in SGVector::vec1_plus_scalar_times_vec2 - http://git.io/3FOpWw21:23
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r48873ae / (src/shogun/lib/SGVector.cpp src/shogun/lib/SGVector.h): Merge pull request #652 from koenvandesande/master - http://git.io/segi7Q21:23
@sonney2kbern4rd, how can I change the 'home' page?21:23
@sonney2kblackburn, no21:23
@sonney2kit doesn't work21:23
blackburnsonney2k: argh21:23
@sonney2kit is only useful for float/double21:23
@sonney2kall other stuff will need to be fixed21:23
blackburnsonney2k: does it break compilation?21:23
bern4rdif you mean the phographs, etc, you have to change /templates/home.html21:24
blackburnsonney2k: can I see site somewhere?21:24
blackburnI was begging you before21:24
@sonney2kbern4rd, if I change "Say Hello." to something "bla"21:24
@sonney2kbern4rd, then it switches back to Say hello. after reload - do you see the same?21:25
@sonney2kblackburn, it is in shogun-web21:25
blackburnsonney2k: how to run it?21:25
gsomixnew web-site?21:26
@sonney2kblackburn, python manage.py runserver21:26
bern4rdYes I know what you say. Is because nuviotemplates has a picture with "Say Hello. ..." And is not plane-text21:26
* gsomix is slowpoke...21:26
@sonney2kbern4rd, ahh21:26
blackburnValueError: Unable to configure filter 'require_debug_false': Cannot resolve 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse': No module named RequireDebugFalse21:29
@sonney2kblackburn, django installed?21:30
blackburnsonney2k: I installed python-django21:30
blackburnand deps21:30
@sonney2kno idea then21:30
blackburnah ok21:30
blackburnwill see final result :D21:31
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gsomixshogun-buildbot, T____T21:32
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CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rdfb929e / src/shogun/lib/SGVector.cpp : Eigen3 usage for dot in sgvector - http://git.io/obEnJA21:56
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r197ebdf / (5 files): Added multitask python examples - http://git.io/4mEobg21:56
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r6f31244 / src/shogun/lib/slep/malsar_joint_feature_learning.cpp : Removed unnecessary debug print - http://git.io/WGpo9Q21:56
shogun-buildbotbuild #163 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/163  blamelist: Sergey Lisitsyn <lisitsyn.s.o@gmail.com>21:58
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shogun-buildbotbuild #164 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/16422:38
gsomixshogun-buildbot, good work!22:38
shogun-buildbotWhat you say!22:38
shogun-buildbotbuild #165 of deb3 - modular_interfaces is complete: Failure [failed test python_modular]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb3%20-%20modular_interfaces/builds/165  blamelist: Sergey Lisitsyn <lisitsyn.s.o@gmail.com>23:10
blackburnahhhhh so no eigen no money I get you buildbot23:12
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r154176c / (2 files): Made multitask eigen3 based algorithms safe - http://git.io/-f7IQQ23:25
@sonney2kblackburn, he (or her?) is eigen23:28
shogun-buildbotbuild #153 of deb1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/deb1%20-%20libshogun/builds/153  blamelist: Sergey Lisitsyn <lisitsyn.s.o@gmail.com>23:28
blackburnmy mom told me never do blind fixes23:28
gsomixblackburn, +123:29
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CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * r0771067 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixes for eigen3 based multitask logistic regression classes - http://git.io/RrTXXw23:34
riecksonney2k: alive?!23:36
blackburnrieck: you keep missing each other whole day long23:36
blackburnrieck: use mail :D23:37
riecki missed by 8 minutes. that's nt bad23:37
riecksonney2k: has been asking about betty, so it's something we should discuss on irc ;)23:37
blackburnyeah get betty back23:37
blackburntotally boring w/o23:37
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rieckif a colleague in our lab called betty, so there will be not bot with the name. however, there is still droopy23:38
blackburnc'mon shogun-buildbot23:39
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blackburndroopy: hello23:40
rieckhey droopy. you learnt a lot from betty, right?23:40
CIA-18shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rf2bcaa9 / src/shogun/transfer/multitask/MultitaskTraceLogisticRegression.cpp : Removed extra left paren - http://git.io/_5R7lw23:40
rieckhmmm. he's shy if in different channels.23:40
rieckaaah! he's talking in a different channel.23:41
rieckthat's weird23:41
rieckdroopy: i need to move you back home.23:42
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rieckdroopy: better now?23:48
droopyrieck: you know how im pz the guy breaks in the tut witha shotgun and tries to kill you, any tips on not getting killed by em?23:48
blackburndroopy: are you ok?23:50
blackburndroopy: yes?23:50
droopyblackburn: if you want the view position at xyz just translate by -xyz!?!23:50
rieckya see. it's easy ;)23:51
@sonney2kdroopy, hey ya god of the bots :D23:55
@sonney2krieck, yes!!23:57
rieckdroopy learnt a lot from betty. especially how to behave!23:57
droopythere is a pressure point, we don't deny that and we will exert23:57
rieckthere is a always some pressure point ;)23:57
riecksonney2k: if you like to droopy can stay here for some time. as some kind of (poor) replacement for betty23:58
@sonney2kI am off to bed now though...23:58
@sonney2kso can we have droopy for some longer time?23:58
droopysonney2k: can i borrow some submarines?23:58
@sonney2kmy network connection sucks badly here...23:58
@sonney2kdelays of ~30s23:58
rieckyep you can23:58
blackburndroopy: do you really need submarines?23:58
droopyblackburn: here we go... http://i45.tinypic.com/2lxunn6.jpg!23:58
blackburndroopy: is it you?23:59
droopyblackburn: what makes you think that this is a java support channel?23:59
blackburndroopy: you've learnt some offensive stuff bad boy23:59
droopyblackburn: well it's "college" stuff and can be quite tough if you don't get someone to explain it to you perfectly?23:59
rieckjust be a little careful when visiting links posted by droopy23:59
droopyrieck: indeed he should23:59
blackburncache hit23:59
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